The points of debate between Land and Dugin

The debate is a clash between two radical critiques of modernity: one that seeks to accelerate its destructive forces (Land) and one that seeks to reverse them through tradition (Dugin).

Points of Divergence

Philosophical Concept	Nick Land (Accelerationist)	Alexander Dugin (Traditionalist)
The Future of Society	Embraces Technological Singularity: Advocates for the massive acceleration of technological development and global capitalism to usher in a post-human, cybernetic future.	Rejects Modernity: Advocates for a return to traditional, spiritual, and pre-liberal foundations, rejecting the "progressive" civilizational trajectory of the West.
Role of Capitalism	Capitalism as a Liberating Force: Views aggressive, global capitalism as the engine of beneficial "deterritorialization" that dissolves old codes, social constraints, and the limitations of the human.	Capitalism as the Main Enemy: Views liberalism and global capitalism as the core corrupting forces that destroy traditional identity, spiritual values, and stable political systems.
Geopolitics and Territory	Global Deterritorialization: Favors a non-territorial future, potentially a "patchwork" of market-driven enclaves and city-states, free from democratic nation-states.	Multipolar World / Eurasianism: Favors the re-establishment of a multipolar world order based on civilizational "Great Spaces" (like Eurasia), promoting national/cultural sovereignty.
The Human Subject	Post-Humanism: Seeks the transcendence, annihilation, or replacement of the human subject with pure capital, artificial intelligence, and the machine-drive.	Restoration of Man: Seeks to restore the spiritual, metaphysical, and traditional essence of the human subject, often drawing on existentialist philosophy (like Heidegger) to critique modern man's spiritual emptiness.

Points of Convergence

1. Radical Critique of Liberal Democracy:

   Both Land and Dugin are united in their profound and radical rejection of the current liberal democratic status quo. They agree that the system is exhausted, corrupt, and must be broken. They are anti-egalitarian and anti-consensus politics.

2. Anti-Rationalist/Esoteric Foundations:

   Both thinkers appeal to philosophical sources outside the mainstream of Enlightenment rationalism. They are often seen as drawing upon non-rational, esoteric, or occult themes to describe the forces that truly move history and politics. Land utilizes cybernetics and the "occult" forces of capital, while Dugin draws on traditionalism, esotericism, and Heidegger's critique of technology.

3. The Need for Revolution/Collapse:

   Both agree that the current order is fundamentally unstable and requires a catastrophic event—a "collapse"—to move to the next stage. Their difference lies in what they believe should emerge from the ruins: Land sees a mechanical singularity; Dugin sees a traditional, spiritual rebirth.